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coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some comments this afternoon that put a damper on that real. we've lost about 30 points. in that time. up 74 on the dow at 13,244. the nasdaq is doing well today,
coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some...
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he also added he thinks house speaker boehner has been a good leader during the fiscal cliff negotiations. and then we were joined by bob corker and bob conrad. corker said we need to focus
he also added he thinks house speaker boehner has been a good leader during the fiscal cliff negotiations. and then we were joined by bob corker and bob conrad. corker said we need to focus
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we have breaking news on the fiscal cliff negotiations. eamon? >> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer from the white house. we know that the ap is also reporting that at least partial offers have been exchanged between the two sides over the past two days. so, clearly, what we know here is that paper is changing hands and the deal making is actually happening right now. what we don't know is what the content of that deal is. and speaker's office telling me right now that they're not going to be able to provide any detail on what was in that counter offer, so, behind the scenes, the mystery continues here. >> so, again, we're not necessarily zeroing in on exactly
we have breaking news on the fiscal cliff negotiations. eamon? >> we have a statement from john boehner's office. they're saying that they have made a counter proposal now to the white house. let me read you the statement. they say, we sent the white house a counter offer that would achieve tax and entitlement reform to solve our looming debt crisis and create more american jobs. this from the speaker's office. they are also saying that their offer now today was in response to a new offer...
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coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some comments this afternoon that put a damper on that real. we've lost about 30 points. in that time. up 74 on the dow at 13,244. the nasdaq is doing well today, up 32 points. more than a 1% gain, although it is off its highs of the day at 3019, and the s&p 500 index is 8 plus points at 1426. the word on the street is because of the fiscal cliff, some investors are actually selling the winners, the winning stocks, and they are holding on to the poor performers, the opposite what have they have been doing the last few years. maria? >> makes a lot of sense given the fact that tax les go higher on capital gains
coming up we'll, find out from key lawmakers in the fiscal cliff negotiations how we can actually get a deal done before the deadline. representative chris van hollen, lynn jenkins and javier becerra as well as sore orrin hatch with us. we'll hear from former treasury secretary altman and jeff greenfield. bill? >> stocks are trading off the highs of the day with less than an hour to go. final hour, really from the get-go. optimism about the cliff talks and senator harry reid made some...
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as this fiscal cliff negotiations continues, they think boehner is trying to warn conservatives about going against any kind of deal he cuts with the white house. so as a warning, boehner is saying i'm going to boot you off your committee if you go against something i do. a lot of conservatives don't like it when he plays hardball. they're going to continue to fight back just like senator demint is doing right now. >> but he's also going to lose some votes on the moderate side. a couple dozen republican house members signed a bipartisan letter that says let's look at all kinds of tax rates, not just the deduction, but tax rates in relation to other spending. so you've got republicans jumping ship on both sides. >> that's exactly right. the speaker is going to have to make a critical choice, because the lines are being drawn in the sand right now here on capitol hill. you have the conservatives who are being booted off the committee. they're very angry with the speaker. they're not going to move at all on tax rates. but you've got a lot of moderates in the republican conference from th
as this fiscal cliff negotiations continues, they think boehner is trying to warn conservatives about going against any kind of deal he cuts with the white house. so as a warning, boehner is saying i'm going to boot you off your committee if you go against something i do. a lot of conservatives don't like it when he plays hardball. they're going to continue to fight back just like senator demint is doing right now. >> but he's also going to lose some votes on the moderate side. a couple...
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we're expecting house speaker boehner to give us an update on the fiscal cliff negotiations at any minute. in have been sberp rating the previous silence from the administration and speaker's office as a good sign real progress was being made. from what we have heard from our guests so far this morning there's a general sense of optimism a deal will be reached. perhaps not in a forum that's widely expected. that optimism seemingly reflected in the markets. we are up more than 100 point ossen the dow. >> i'm maria bartiromo along with brian sullivan. representative patrick mchenry, republican from north carolina. good to have you on the program. thanks for joining us. let's talk about where we are. what would you say? where are we in terms of a deal? >> not as bad as last week and not as bad as the week before. not really in a great position to get things done. the president's more interested in campaigning around the country and telling people to send twitter messages to me on my twitter account. i haven't really seen much. we haven't seen much in the way of phone calls either. that's wha
we're expecting house speaker boehner to give us an update on the fiscal cliff negotiations at any minute. in have been sberp rating the previous silence from the administration and speaker's office as a good sign real progress was being made. from what we have heard from our guests so far this morning there's a general sense of optimism a deal will be reached. perhaps not in a forum that's widely expected. that optimism seemingly reflected in the markets. we are up more than 100 point ossen...
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we'll get an update on where we stand with the fiscal cliff negotiation. keep it here where wall street meets main street. i'll see you again next weekend. bp has paid over twenty-threebp billion dollarsnt to the gulf. to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger.
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i's an ipad, iphone fan. >>> another option on the fiscal cliff negotiating table being considered is raising the age when seniors can start receiving medicare to help ease our debt burden. what do you think, bob pisani? raise the age. is it a good idea? >> of course it is going to help us. we should consider that. that's the most likely thing on the cable. what i'm worried about here, it is very easy to say we'll save a bunch of money, pick a number, $6 billion or whatever the number if we take it off. where do the people go? those 65 to 67-year-olds will go into the private system where these exchanges we're going to have. they're likely going to pay more money there and the premiums are going to go up because of all those seniors. so it isn't free! that's my point. it is not just the government saves money, other people, those seniors are going to pay to be in those exchanges. >> there's no free lunch. >> nothing. >> i think there is good news that with this administration we don't have to worry about having another debate about privatizing social security. you and i, bob, are prob
i's an ipad, iphone fan. >>> another option on the fiscal cliff negotiating table being considered is raising the age when seniors can start receiving medicare to help ease our debt burden. what do you think, bob pisani? raise the age. is it a good idea? >> of course it is going to help us. we should consider that. that's the most likely thing on the cable. what i'm worried about here, it is very easy to say we'll save a bunch of money, pick a number, $6 billion or whatever the...
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. >> regardless of how fiscal cliff negotiations work out, for the first time ever, the irs will impose a new income surtax on all investment gains including your home. 159 pages of rules for one tax. this cannot be good. here now is the author of the book democracy denied. 159 pages. am i right it is going to include gains on your home? in fact this rule looks like it is going to cover more ground than originally thought. this surtax? >> well, you still have an exclusion on the tail of a primary residence. above that, it would be subject to this surtax. independent income. the rules are surrising. all rental income, you are going to have to pay the surtax on that rental income. depending on what happens with fiscal inclusive, we could be looking at 43.4%. all of this stuff, income is going to go up. there is a 0.9% payroll tax for people above $250,000. explain this to me. these investments aren't they already tax ee eed once? when you put it into corporate assets, you put it into corporate stock. this is an additional layer of tax on already taxed income. to worsen that, worsens that
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fiscal cliff. good morning again, everybody. i'm becky quick. here is what we know right now. the pace of private talks picking up speed as we now have just 20 days left. however, neither the white house nor house speaker boehner's office are giving any public indication that either side is yet prepared to give up real ground. on a road trip yesterday, president obama indicated that he is willing to compromise, just not on that point about an increase in tax for relthy americans. meantime, speaker boehner says he is still waiting on specific spending cuts. joining us now for analysis, tony fratto, of hamilton place strategies and former white house press secretary and gerald bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. gentlemen, thank you for being here with us and getting this special day of coverage kicked off for us. >> rising early and rising above. >> exactly. let's talk about this. jared, it seems like things have gotten quieter. do you think that's the case? is that a good
fiscal cliff. good morning again, everybody. i'm becky quick. here is what we know right now. the pace of private talks picking up speed as we now have just 20 days left. however, neither the white house nor house speaker boehner's office are giving any public indication that either side is yet prepared to give up real ground. on a road trip yesterday, president obama indicated that he is willing to compromise, just not on that point about an increase in tax for relthy americans. meantime,...
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bob, can you really make a deal on the fiscal cliff when the negotiation is out in public? do you think we'll get a deal done? that's what everybody wants to know. >> if everybody thinks we ought to get to a deal, we'll get to a deal. the public part of this, obviously, it's different. you got to get 435 people to vote in the house and 100 in the senate. different than getting a board to approve a fundamentally, getting to a deal is about understanding expectations. this public thing is a very good point. it couldn't be different. when two ceos are meeting to do a merger negotiation, one guy shows up in jeans, and the other guy has sunglasses on. they meet at the o'hare hilton. they don't want anybody to know about it. >> wait a minute. let's point this out. go ahead, jeff. >> the risk is taking the worst part of what wall street does, which is this negotiation of do a deal, do a deal, do a deal, do any deal. that's what happened with hp-autonomy. that's what you don't want to take from wall street in this situation. >> let's face it. a ceo is judged on success by the botto
bob, can you really make a deal on the fiscal cliff when the negotiation is out in public? do you think we'll get a deal done? that's what everybody wants to know. >> if everybody thinks we ought to get to a deal, we'll get to a deal. the public part of this, obviously, it's different. you got to get 435 people to vote in the house and 100 in the senate. different than getting a board to approve a fundamentally, getting to a deal is about understanding expectations. this public thing is a...
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we've got this negotiation for the fiscal cliff. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what is the impact to your business? >> well, there would be an impact on consumption, for sure. so when it comes to puma or mainstream brands in america in sports, there will be a for sure some consequences in terms of consumption. but i see that as an investment for the future. so it might be a little bit different from some of other ceos. we have to get over the fiscal cliff. let's not delay the thing. it needs efforts. let's make them short for a better future. i think we should be ready as a corporation, being ready for maybe a year of difficult market, difficult situation in the market because that is a ceiling on our growth in terms of economical growth as to be released. it's really me an investment for the future. >> you're seeing a similar situation in france where we're talking about the possibility of capital gains taxes and dividend taxes going much higher. what will that do to the investor class, to the entrepreneurialism that we're seeing
we've got this negotiation for the fiscal cliff. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what is the impact to your business? >> well, there would be an impact on consumption, for sure. so when it comes to puma or mainstream brands in america in sports, there will be a for sure some consequences in terms of consumption. but i see that as an investment for the future. so it might be a little bit different from some of other ceos. we have to get over the fiscal cliff. let's not delay the thing. it...
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president barack obama hits the road to talk to republicans about the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> all part of the road to the fiscal cliff we've been seeing now. what's the latest, eamon? >> to really push public opinion in his direction on the fiscal cliff talks. the president today making the argument that he's the guy in this debate that wants to lower american taxes. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning in the next few weeks, starting on january 1st, everybody's going to see their income taxes go up. it's true. y'all don't like that, huh? >> and you can tell how confident president barack obama knows how positive his polls are on his side of this issue. but on the game where he's campaigning publicly and negotiating privately. as you said meeting with john boehner at the white house yesterday. and clearly the president is meeting with republicans and then checking back with democrats. we see this pattern now a couple of times last week he met with or spoke to boehner. and then met with nancy pelosi, the democratic leader on capitol hill. today we're told he had a phone call on
president barack obama hits the road to talk to republicans about the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> all part of the road to the fiscal cliff we've been seeing now. what's the latest, eamon? >> to really push public opinion in his direction on the fiscal cliff talks. the president today making the argument that he's the guy in this debate that wants to lower american taxes. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning in the next few weeks, starting on january 1st, everybody's...
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but for today, at least, an interruption in our obsession with the fiscal cliff negotiations. today was all about the fed. a rally was up 80 points on the dow at one time until midday when bernanke had his news conference and took all the wind out of the sales. down three points at 13,245. that does it for "the closing bell." >> "fast money" starts right now and i do believe maria is back tomorrow. >> she will be. see you tomorrow. >>> traders get what they wanted. >> if unemployment never goes below 6.5% again, we're going to have a quarter percent forever. >> so, now it's a race to see who can buy more lumber futures for printing currency between the japanese and the americans. >> but chairman bernanke is a buzz kill for stocks today. >> the asset purchases are a less well understood tool. we have -- we'll be learning over time about how every cautious they are, about what costs they may carry with them in terms of untended consequences. >> and we're back to worrying about a thelma and louise finish to the fiscal cliff. maybe that wouldn't presidentbeo so bad. >> when the go
but for today, at least, an interruption in our obsession with the fiscal cliff negotiations. today was all about the fed. a rally was up 80 points on the dow at one time until midday when bernanke had his news conference and took all the wind out of the sales. down three points at 13,245. that does it for "the closing bell." >> "fast money" starts right now and i do believe maria is back tomorrow. >> she will be. see you tomorrow. >>> traders get what...
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eastern time to further negotiate each side on the fiscal cliff. as soon that headline calm out, the market starting back from they wills. as a result a lot of people were saying this is an optimistic sign. things worsened there and was all about that conversation happening at 5:00 p.m. eastern which we'll have for you as soon as the details come owl. >>> talk about bang for your buck. if you followed the cause of dan niles on facebook you would have made money on the way down when it priced and even more recently on the way up. dan is now labeling the company his favorite considered for 2013, facebook is after shorting it at the highs at the $22 a share. john, i went from a huge wear on facebook to a huge bull. thanks for having me on. >> why facebook? >> we were very vocal about facebook when they went public and they had only one engine of growth and that was on desktop pcs. they didn't have any tablets and this is before they reported the prior quart. what was interesting is they had a mobile strategy. they just sponsored news feeds and you go
eastern time to further negotiate each side on the fiscal cliff. as soon that headline calm out, the market starting back from they wills. as a result a lot of people were saying this is an optimistic sign. things worsened there and was all about that conversation happening at 5:00 p.m. eastern which we'll have for you as soon as the details come owl. >>> talk about bang for your buck. if you followed the cause of dan niles on facebook you would have made money on the way down when it...
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that is of high importance in solving the fiscal cliff negotiations and in a longer term way bringing the country to a sustainable fiscal course. what specific changes to medicare or medicaid would you be willing to imbraes today right new that would slow the growth in our medical spenting? >> i'm not going to debate the specifics on television. i think that what the president is doing, is clear that he has indicated that we have to raise the tax rate. the tax rates, bush tax cuts, was temporary in nature. >> that's not what i asked. i asked what specific would you be willing to do to address what is clearly the number one thing that is going to blow the hole in not only the economy but federal spending, federal budget over the next generation. >> what we have to do is negotiate. everything should be on the table. i think the president indicated that everything would be on the table. the president indicated he is ready to talk about entitlements, et cetera. the other side said we can cannot raise tax hikes at all. we have to make sure that everything is on the table. if everything is
that is of high importance in solving the fiscal cliff negotiations and in a longer term way bringing the country to a sustainable fiscal course. what specific changes to medicare or medicaid would you be willing to imbraes today right new that would slow the growth in our medical spenting? >> i'm not going to debate the specifics on television. i think that what the president is doing, is clear that he has indicated that we have to raise the tax rate. the tax rates, bush tax cuts, was...
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well, there were other developments aside from the fiscal cliff negotiations today. apple today, big loser once again. the stock continues in a free fall. bertha coombs on the latest on apple. >> that fall on apple really affecting the overall market. apple closing at the lows of the day. the concerns, essentially, are fundamental, that they may be losing market share when it comes to ipad, slower iphone sales, but also technical. they're really seeing the stock moving below some support levels here. then also, the financials. that was the other side of this. citi with that announcement they were cutting their costs. today one of the big gainers. that set off a rally in financials. bank of america closing about $10 for the first time in 17 months. >> all right, bertha. thanks so much. hopes running high for pandora media, meanwhile. >> the radio advertising market alone that we're just beginning to scratch the surface of is a $15 billion plus market. we're a leader in mobile, which is set to become another $15 billion plus market. >> we're going to hear more from the
well, there were other developments aside from the fiscal cliff negotiations today. apple today, big loser once again. the stock continues in a free fall. bertha coombs on the latest on apple. >> that fall on apple really affecting the overall market. apple closing at the lows of the day. the concerns, essentially, are fundamental, that they may be losing market share when it comes to ipad, slower iphone sales, but also technical. they're really seeing the stock moving below some support...
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so that's why in the fiscal cliff negotiations it would be counterproductive if congress cut invest. >>> in education and job training to "reduce the deficit" in a way that would impact future economic growth. we've got to fix the workforce investment, the job training system in the united states to prepare people for the types of jobs that ceo has. >> you've been there, you've had to forge deals between warring constituencies. fiscal cliff. what would the solution be if you were handling it? >> i like the idea of the president, john boehner, the key players, getting together with no staff in the room. the second thing, they've got to be guided by a couple of things. number one, what is best for the nation? not my party, not my philosophy, not necessarily my politics. number two -- >> you'd like it one on one. >> editd' i'd like it one on on discuss specifics in a one on one way. second, they may agree there should be short-term steps and long-term steps, i think we can get there. the nation is counting on them doing something significant. >> saints/giants this weekend? >> i've got t
so that's why in the fiscal cliff negotiations it would be counterproductive if congress cut invest. >>> in education and job training to "reduce the deficit" in a way that would impact future economic growth. we've got to fix the workforce investment, the job training system in the united states to prepare people for the types of jobs that ceo has. >> you've been there, you've had to forge deals between warring constituencies. fiscal cliff. what would the solution be...
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on the negotiations on the fiscal cliff. obviously optimism is running high right now. we're up five days in a row now on the dow jones industrial average. as far as what the markets are doing, we're being led today by tech stocks. apple is having a decent day although it still doesn't have a trading range. at least not in my opinion. it's trying to trade between 500 and $600. i don't know which way it's going to go. texas instruments having a very good day. rauzed their fourth quarter outlook. they're getting out of the mobile chip market. altera is okay. two sectors having a big day. defense stocks, number one. who would have thought? what sequestration worries are there? this is a historic high. the philadelphia defense index, the main index everyone watches in defense stocks, historic high today. all the big name defense stocks are to the upside. raytheon, northrop, rockwell. all are up and outperforming the market this month. who would have thunk it? say what you will. these stocks are having big worries on sequestration. put up my two main points and i'll tell you
on the negotiations on the fiscal cliff. obviously optimism is running high right now. we're up five days in a row now on the dow jones industrial average. as far as what the markets are doing, we're being led today by tech stocks. apple is having a decent day although it still doesn't have a trading range. at least not in my opinion. it's trying to trade between 500 and $600. i don't know which way it's going to go. texas instruments having a very good day. rauzed their fourth quarter outlook....
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one area of those fiscal cliff negotiations that is getting very little attention but could have a major ramification for you and your kids is the estate tax. we will drill down on the future of the inheritance tax. and the other side of google, the internet giant slashing bills -- stashes, i should say, billions in tax shelters to avoid paying taxes. is that fair play or is it absolutely outrageous? we'll talk about that at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. now back to scott and the fast money "halftime report." >> over the weekend johnny manziel made history as the first freshman to win the heisman trophy and with a great nickname to go along with his great story it would seem as though the sky is the limit for the kid they call johnny football. our brian shactman is live in new york city with the texas a&m qb. brian? >> they call him johnny heisman now, too. only the fifth player ever in college football to throw for more than 3,000 yards and run for at least 1,000. johnny, thanks for joining us. first of all, how you holding up? >> not bad. i'm enjoying all of this. just taking it in stride. m
one area of those fiscal cliff negotiations that is getting very little attention but could have a major ramification for you and your kids is the estate tax. we will drill down on the future of the inheritance tax. and the other side of google, the internet giant slashing bills -- stashes, i should say, billions in tax shelters to avoid paying taxes. is that fair play or is it absolutely outrageous? we'll talk about that at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. now back to scott and the fast money...
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so, in the after hours, it is interpreted as being a positive development in if fiscal cliff negotiations. >> and it was -- >> that's right. >> it was all day. at a point, you have to succumb to the reality that the people have information in hand, it's going to come to you after the fact. people get this stuff, it's a game of horse trading, as tim said. people are looking for resolution. the minute they get a whiff of it, this market is going higher. >> le whaf. >> i think that's right. it is a positive development. it is an indication they are inching towards a deal. but we have a long time to go before now and then and we might need a few more offers before we get there. nobody should think they are going to announce something tomorrow. as soon as i say they -- >> you'll get another leak. >> we are inching towards it here and at some point they're going to have a deal but this thing could blow up at any time, too. this is very tense stuff and a lot of people's political futures are riding on this. >> not to mention the country's. >> and that, too. >> eamon, thank you for the update. ea
so, in the after hours, it is interpreted as being a positive development in if fiscal cliff negotiations. >> and it was -- >> that's right. >> it was all day. at a point, you have to succumb to the reality that the people have information in hand, it's going to come to you after the fact. people get this stuff, it's a game of horse trading, as tim said. people are looking for resolution. the minute they get a whiff of it, this market is going higher. >> le whaf....
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. >>> but first we've got to get a big development on the fiscal cliff negotiations. at this point we are still just a quarter way to a deal. eamon javers, though, some republicans, call them defectors, call them break-aways, call them independent thinkers, whatever they want, what's the latest here? >> what we've seen just within the past couple of hours is a new letter from some republicans saying they'd like to see all options on the table here. that's a sign that there is some willingness among republicans to have some negotiations. i'm talking to lawmakers here on the hill who say it probably strengthens speaker boehner's hand to go out and make a deal with the president. we've seen some rancor in the ranks on the right from the speaker dealing with sort of an insurrection yesterday. this might give him a bit of wiggle room for negotiations. i want to show you this video here. this is members of congress departing capitol hill today. they're heading off for the rest of the week. they are not in session anymore. no more votes, no more committee meetings. it is all
. >>> but first we've got to get a big development on the fiscal cliff negotiations. at this point we are still just a quarter way to a deal. eamon javers, though, some republicans, call them defectors, call them break-aways, call them independent thinkers, whatever they want, what's the latest here? >> what we've seen just within the past couple of hours is a new letter from some republicans saying they'd like to see all options on the table here. that's a sign that there is...
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>> the fed told you everything they want to know as far as their thinking towards the fiscal cliff negotiations. they have said, threw down the gauntlet, we're going to be here. the global u.s., the economy is of the fed, by the fed, for the fed. we have now $65 trillion worth of global assets tied up at zero interest economies. what's that doing for economies? they are looking for yield, junk bond issuance at its highest level ever by allotted, so you're seeing -- that's where this trade is going to keep going. investors setting themselves up for a lot of trouble. the third thing is now basically investors are at sea. what do you do? i'll tell you a very telling story. bank of america 2013 outlook. they are super bullish and hung a 1600 on the s&p next year and said the biggest downside risk improvement in the u.s. economy because that might get the fed to scale back. that's how you show how dependant we are and what little confidence they have of what's going on in washington. >> does that mean if we get a deal any time soon out of washington that the market rallies and the volatility ends, o
>> the fed told you everything they want to know as far as their thinking towards the fiscal cliff negotiations. they have said, threw down the gauntlet, we're going to be here. the global u.s., the economy is of the fed, by the fed, for the fed. we have now $65 trillion worth of global assets tied up at zero interest economies. what's that doing for economies? they are looking for yield, junk bond issuance at its highest level ever by allotted, so you're seeing -- that's where this trade...
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speaker boehner commenting earlier this hour about the fiscal cliff negotiations. let's listen. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and as planned, does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. >> joined now by an incoming member of the senate, jeff flake, representing arizona's sixth district. good morning. glad to have you. >> thanks for having me on. >> awfully tough to get a read this morning. a lot of the public commentary has been critical, as you know. but we are seeing signs that at least the talks are progressing. we've got counteroffers going back and forth. are you more or less optimistic than you were, say, last week? >> i've gone back and forth week to week. thinking we'll get a deal. then we won't. today, i think it's probably just better than 50/50 that we get a deal. it likely won't be until after christmas. >> yeah, the calendar -- that seems to be the issue right now. you're running out of time to get it done this year. >> it looks like it
speaker boehner commenting earlier this hour about the fiscal cliff negotiations. let's listen. >> this plan does not fulfill his promise to bring a balanced approach to solving this problem. it's mainly tax hikes. and as planned, does not begin to solve our debt crisis. it actually increases spending. >> joined now by an incoming member of the senate, jeff flake, representing arizona's sixth district. good morning. glad to have you. >> thanks for having me on. >>...
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is not bad, let's assume not bad, it puts even more of a focus on the fiscal cliff negotiations because it becomes even more binding one would assume in terms of good or bad for the market, for the economy. >> kernen had a good point. does strength mean the economy could handle a cliff or is it so good you wouldn't want to tamper -- >> if i wanted to create a recession, what would i do? i would raise everybody's rates. i would cut the unemployment benefit. just trying to think of a theory of how i could cause a recession. i would cut back government spending quickly. >> i would raise interest rates to 20%. >> bernanke ought to join the -- look, i think this is what's going to happen. i think it's 50-50 we get a deal. no vacation. no legislation, no vacation. i think that when people get their paycheck at the end of january, they are going to be shocked at how much lower it is. i know these guys in washington, their paycheck isn't affected. i think when you get your paycheck, you're going to say i hate that. it is going to be that big. it's going to be very -- the takeout is going to be
is not bad, let's assume not bad, it puts even more of a focus on the fiscal cliff negotiations because it becomes even more binding one would assume in terms of good or bad for the market, for the economy. >> kernen had a good point. does strength mean the economy could handle a cliff or is it so good you wouldn't want to tamper -- >> if i wanted to create a recession, what would i do? i would raise everybody's rates. i would cut the unemployment benefit. just trying to think of a...
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i'm worried about the fiscal cliff, yes. negotiations look ugly. also i'm worried about u.s. stocks once they start to go ex-dividend and costco and disney on december 10th will be poster children for what happens to a stock after it pays out its dividend. so what i'm interested in is selling euro on the unemployment data that comes up. i'm taking an event like unemployment day and trying to sell it on a rally. i want to do that around 13175. profit down around 12975 and stop loss at 13250. again it's just this week. we have decent risk. most of the risk on trades will hold including euro. next week not so much. >> not least because the fed is meeting and may substantially weaken the dollar on its announcement on qe or are we not as sensitive on the greenback to that at the moment? >> i think that's priced in. what's not priced in is what happens after the ex-dividend date for stocks. i think they rallied back from their post-election blues because so many companies have issued new dividends. the fact that you were talking about apple and then not payi i a dividend and that's
i'm worried about the fiscal cliff, yes. negotiations look ugly. also i'm worried about u.s. stocks once they start to go ex-dividend and costco and disney on december 10th will be poster children for what happens to a stock after it pays out its dividend. so what i'm interested in is selling euro on the unemployment data that comes up. i'm taking an event like unemployment day and trying to sell it on a rally. i want to do that around 13175. profit down around 12975 and stop loss at 13250....
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cliff negotiations. the democratic leadership is preparing to respond. we will bring you comments from senators harry reid and dick durbin. that is live, and that is coming up. >>> the "cnbc realtime exchange market snapshot" is brought to you by interactive brokers. >>> it is time for another capital markets op-ed. buybacks. >> you guys covered this yesterday at great length. i hoped to look at some of the newspapers today, "the wall street journal" was the only newspaper somewhat critical about this. look, warren buffett will be buying back stocks. he was never going to buy back stock or split the stock. he was never going to put the stock in the s&p 500. if this is not hypocritical to the maximum level -- no, no, no. he has changed. >> oh, a long time ago. >> a long time ago. never believed in buybacks. never would split a stock into the "b" shares and would never go into the s&p 500. you don't want closet indexes owning the name. that's some of the hypocrisy. but given the fact that he took out one o
cliff negotiations. the democratic leadership is preparing to respond. we will bring you comments from senators harry reid and dick durbin. that is live, and that is coming up. >>> the "cnbc realtime exchange market snapshot" is brought to you by interactive brokers. >>> it is time for another capital markets op-ed. buybacks. >> you guys covered this yesterday at great length. i hoped to look at some of the newspapers today, "the wall street journal"...
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. >> let's get to our guest host for more on the fiscal cliff negotiations. joining us now for the rest of the show, senator john thune, chairman of the senate republican kovrns conference. a member of the budget, commerce and finance committees and the third ranking republican in the senate. and, tall, great suit. you're like 6'2", aren't you? 6'1"? >> actually more like 6'4". you're sitting down. >> i'm sitting down. didn't want to give you credit for those extra -- anyway. you cut -- i like the cut of this man's jib. anyway, senator, you have made the point that the debt ceiling is another place where the gop might have some leverage. you heard senator corker. does that speak to you? does that make sense to you to give on the 2%, and then use the debt ceiling to really extract some entitlement cuts? >> ideally, joe, i think what we'd like to see is a deal right now that includes a restructuring entitlement programs. that's what drives federal spending. we can't solve this on the revenue side. and, you know, we've got colleagues right now that are san diego
. >> let's get to our guest host for more on the fiscal cliff negotiations. joining us now for the rest of the show, senator john thune, chairman of the senate republican kovrns conference. a member of the budget, commerce and finance committees and the third ranking republican in the senate. and, tall, great suit. you're like 6'2", aren't you? 6'1"? >> actually more like 6'4". you're sitting down. >> i'm sitting down. didn't want to give you credit for those...
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el are, the fiscal cliff negotiations have been discounted by the market. and there seems to away great deal of optimism in the market that congress will come to a deal. so the outlook for 2013 is actually quite good, particularly after the fed's speech yesterday, the chairman's speech about holding interest rates very low until mid 2013. tying them into the unemployment rates and low inflation. really, it looks like equities are a good place to be because we're in a situation of financial repression where interest rates are going to be held low for at least another three years. >> kevin, let's talk a little bit about that fomc meeting. what's the market response to this idea of tieing the fed's response to the unemployment rate and inflation? >> well, a couple of quick moves because that the curve steepened. and, in fact, bond investors exited the market rather aggressively after a long holding period. so i think that overall, ta kind of structure will work well in 2013. but in the near term, the initial reaction on that change basis looks like they don't
el are, the fiscal cliff negotiations have been discounted by the market. and there seems to away great deal of optimism in the market that congress will come to a deal. so the outlook for 2013 is actually quite good, particularly after the fed's speech yesterday, the chairman's speech about holding interest rates very low until mid 2013. tying them into the unemployment rates and low inflation. really, it looks like equities are a good place to be because we're in a situation of financial...
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fiscal cliff negotiations appear to be going nowhere. today president obama will meet with members of the business round table. plus, on the economic calendar, the november adp report on employment is due at 8:15 eastern. u.s. equity futures at this hour are indicated higher. not much happened yesterday. it's wednesday, december 5th, 2012, and "squawk box" begins right now.
fiscal cliff negotiations appear to be going nowhere. today president obama will meet with members of the business round table. plus, on the economic calendar, the november adp report on employment is due at 8:15 eastern. u.s. equity futures at this hour are indicated higher. not much happened yesterday. it's wednesday, december 5th, 2012, and "squawk box" begins right now.
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eastern time. >>> in the latest in the fiscal cliff negotiations treasury secretary tim geithner not mincing words in his interview with steve liesman. there was tough talk that came out of this. i was surprised. >> i was, too. couple different interpretations from tim geithner that the white house would go over the cliff unless there's a tax hike on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000. here's the quote people are talking about. i want to understand the administration's position when it comes to raising taxing on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000. if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest, remember it's only 2%. >> on the one hand senator orin hatch called "one of the most stunning and irresponsible statements" he's heard in some time. he says it will put jobs and people's paychecks and retirement at risk. what geithner was state the administration's existing position but just in harshe
eastern time. >>> in the latest in the fiscal cliff negotiations treasury secretary tim geithner not mincing words in his interview with steve liesman. there was tough talk that came out of this. i was surprised. >> i was, too. couple different interpretations from tim geithner that the white house would go over the cliff unless there's a tax hike on the wealthy, those making more than $250,000. here's the quote people are talking about. i want to understand the administration's...
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this has some bearing on this week's debate over the fiscal cliff negotiations because earlier in the week on monday, senator demint put out a press release saying he was opposed to speaker boehner's office of $800 billion in new taxes. that was sort of the brush fire on the right that we saw a resistance to speaker boehner's position. now senator jim demint announces that he's going to step away from the senate entirely. he had already said that he was going to retire, so he would be leaving the senate eventually. and this eases the path a little bit for speaker boehner to continue those negotiations with the president. and we know that boehner and the president had a phone call just yesterday, late in the day, we don't know exactly what they said in those conversations. so that's the news here in the senate. >> it's still happening in a broader narrative, dick armey has had a fallout with his group. we' i wonder does this mark a new chapter in the future of the tea matter? >> absolutely it does, and it marks sort of a post election reckoning among conservative forces generally in wa
this has some bearing on this week's debate over the fiscal cliff negotiations because earlier in the week on monday, senator demint put out a press release saying he was opposed to speaker boehner's office of $800 billion in new taxes. that was sort of the brush fire on the right that we saw a resistance to speaker boehner's position. now senator jim demint announces that he's going to step away from the senate entirely. he had already said that he was going to retire, so he would be leaving...
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coming up we'll talk about the latest developments for the fiscal cliff negotiations with a former senate banking committee economist and the former chairman of the white house council of economic advisers. perhaps even more importantly rick santelli will be live from chicago. >> hello, simon. i'll tell you what, make sure you come back in about five minutes. [ male announcer ] this is amy. amy likes to invest in the market. she also likes to ride her bike. she knows the potential for making or losing money can pop up anytime. that's why she trades with the leader in mobile trading. so she's always ready to take action, no matter how wily... or weird... or wonderfully the market's behaving... which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. >>> let's get to the group this monday morning, check in with rick santelli and get the santelli exchange. >> good morning, carl. to me, if you're trying to work with individuals to solve the problem, trust and honesty are very big components of that relationship working. and i'll tell you what, my theme of late has been that the
coming up we'll talk about the latest developments for the fiscal cliff negotiations with a former senate banking committee economist and the former chairman of the white house council of economic advisers. perhaps even more importantly rick santelli will be live from chicago. >> hello, simon. i'll tell you what, make sure you come back in about five minutes. [ male announcer ] this is amy. amy likes to invest in the market. she also likes to ride her bike. she knows the potential for...
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as they negotiate this fiscal cliff one of the things that is going to be on the table is the mortgage deduction. why? only 26% of filers actually claim the mortgage deduction so it may play well with lawmakers because they might figure it is not that big of a chunk. however, it can have a big impact. i think it is vital for first time home buyers. i hope they keep it in place. it is probably a better idea to take a look at it and say if we want to do something with it maybe sunset it after five years. >> you think a lot of people take that into account in terms of affordablity? >> yes they do. the mortgage deduction is an important way for people to reconcile what this would be compared to a rent. you can increase your dependents and get that difference every week within your paycheck. you don't have to wait until the end of the year to get a return. you can get it right away. >> what does it say about this market when we have record low mortgage rates. financing has never been cheaper for many parts of the economy? yet here you are talking about a hesitation on the part of certain co
as they negotiate this fiscal cliff one of the things that is going to be on the table is the mortgage deduction. why? only 26% of filers actually claim the mortgage deduction so it may play well with lawmakers because they might figure it is not that big of a chunk. however, it can have a big impact. i think it is vital for first time home buyers. i hope they keep it in place. it is probably a better idea to take a look at it and say if we want to do something with it maybe sunset it after...
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everybody debated the fiscal cliff as if it's an appropriations bill. really it's fiscal tightening. you have to ask yourself what's going to offset? policy makers from washington can get it wrong and tighten too much. the economy looks -- >> are they likely to tighten too much? is that palatable to do now? >> all the signals -- the debate is occurring in the public arena right now. looks like pure politics. we haven't seen a sound compromise solution yet be put on the table. but then again there's weeks to go. so you have to wait and see. >> we want to make some regards on deal or no deal. what would you advise we do right now? >> i can tell you the trend of what we're seeing here. it smells like a santa claus rally. i wouldn't be surprised to see this thing spike maybe 50 more points higher on the s&p. you know, one thing that might upset that would be if the fed came up with some sort of surprise they're going to stop printing money for all the bonds they're repurchasing. but i don't think that's going to happen. so i think they're going to come up w
everybody debated the fiscal cliff as if it's an appropriations bill. really it's fiscal tightening. you have to ask yourself what's going to offset? policy makers from washington can get it wrong and tighten too much. the economy looks -- >> are they likely to tighten too much? is that palatable to do now? >> all the signals -- the debate is occurring in the public arena right now. looks like pure politics. we haven't seen a sound compromise solution yet be put on the table. but...
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"wall street journal" says this creates a ne crea breaks a near week long silence as the fiscal cliff looms. they promise to renew the negotiations. and are you earning $250,000, worried about having to pay more tax? you may be able to earn up to $300,000 and not have to hand over more cash to the irs. head to cnbc.com for more. and victor hugo's classic thofl about life, love and hitting the big screen. carolyn went to speak to the stars of the film to find out why the classic story still resonates. ♪ >> i think human truths are human truths and there's also a certain cycle to the world. >> just a look at the world and humanity, and we'll always be moved by a passion for fighting for what we believe in, we've always been moved by love. >> the power of redemption are all themes that transcend time. >> les mis has been performed 10,000 times and seen by 16 people worldwide. and now it's a major motion picture featuring hugh jackman and anne hathaway. so what does it take to transform wolverine and cat woman into the iconic characters. >> i wore contact lenses to get the redness in th
"wall street journal" says this creates a ne crea breaks a near week long silence as the fiscal cliff looms. they promise to renew the negotiations. and are you earning $250,000, worried about having to pay more tax? you may be able to earn up to $300,000 and not have to hand over more cash to the irs. head to cnbc.com for more. and victor hugo's classic thofl about life, love and hitting the big screen. carolyn went to speak to the stars of the film to find out why the classic story...
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. >>> tomorrow on "squawk box," negotiating a deal on the fiscal cliff. we'll talk about possible paths to a compromise with our guest host former treasury secretary larry summers. >>> plus, the ceo of caterpillar will give us the business perspective on the deficit disaster. you can't afford to miss "squawk box" tomorrow starting at 6:00 a.m. eastern. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 this morning, i'm going to trade in hong kong. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 after that, it's on to germany. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 then tonight, i'm trading 9500 miles away in japan. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 with the new global account from schwab, tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 i hunt down opportunities around the world tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 as if i'm right there. tdd#: 1-800-3
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fiscal cliff, that means awe sisterity. speaker of the house, john boehner said we're still negotiating. he specifically said where is the president on spending cuts, basically threw it back in their court. came off the highs. terms of sectors moving, nice move up in a bunch of groups. semiconductors back, texas instruments had comments, drug index doing well. merck and most of those other big names. sanofi up. delta acquiring a 49% stake in virgin atlantic from singapore, consolidation going on. booking trends have been strong or airlines as well. defense look at this, dfx, historic high. what sequestration worries out there. bottom line, everything on the upside. one sector i want to point out, dollar stores. dollar general came out with an outlook a little below estimates, look, down 7%. all the other ones a downside. they cited tough comps coming up and there are. a challenging environment and a challenging competitive environment. even the dollars stores in a tough competitive environment. >> dollar stores say their ma
fiscal cliff, that means awe sisterity. speaker of the house, john boehner said we're still negotiating. he specifically said where is the president on spending cuts, basically threw it back in their court. came off the highs. terms of sectors moving, nice move up in a bunch of groups. semiconductors back, texas instruments had comments, drug index doing well. merck and most of those other big names. sanofi up. delta acquiring a 49% stake in virgin atlantic from singapore, consolidation going...
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the battle for public perception here in the fiscal cliff fight continues today. the president visiting a middle class family in northern virginia who he said would be hurt by tax increases if those come to pass at the end of this year. the president saying that republicans simply need to come to terms and a deal with him. take a listen to what the president had to say out in the living room of this family in northern virginia. >> i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> so, bill, the president using the power of the bully pulpit there and image making. it's the power the president has to shift the debate here. republicans don't seem to have caved in just yet. we're going to have to see whether or not there's a deal. i think the most encouraging sign for those people who want to see a deal is that the president and the speaker of the house had a phone call
the battle for public perception here in the fiscal cliff fight continues today. the president visiting a middle class family in northern virginia who he said would be hurt by tax increases if those come to pass at the end of this year. the president saying that republicans simply need to come to terms and a deal with him. take a listen to what the president had to say out in the living room of this family in northern virginia. >> i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents...
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b, because we have the fiscal cliff or fiscal gentle slope or whatever it turns out to be to negotiate and c, because we haven't found our legs in the u.s. and we clearly have some global headwinds coming in 2013. however, the thing about this qe in the u.s., unlike previous ones where they could see big economic problems, let's comfort the market with a really big number, this time we're going to do it month by month. solo the annual figures look very big, they're going to halt qe as long as it looks like there's inflation. >> which means there might not be much market reaction as investors realize that. >>> find out what travelers are still flocking to the shores and how much of that money contributes to eugdp. be back in a few minutes. can i ? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on grou at fedex office. >>> these are the headlines from around the globe, bank s
b, because we have the fiscal cliff or fiscal gentle slope or whatever it turns out to be to negotiate and c, because we haven't found our legs in the u.s. and we clearly have some global headwinds coming in 2013. however, the thing about this qe in the u.s., unlike previous ones where they could see big economic problems, let's comfort the market with a really big number, this time we're going to do it month by month. solo the annual figures look very big, they're going to halt qe as long as...
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hours with regard to the fiscal cliff. do you agree with that? >> i don't know. but i do know we haven't made any progress. from time to time, we've heard encouraging words but then the next day when it is time to report out what happened, nothing has happened. it does not appear that there have been any changeets, any progress has been made. so, as is being said, a moment ago. members of congress are prepared to be here during christmas holidays if we have to. >> when members go home for the weekend, back to their district, many traveling at taxpayer expense during this kind of environment, the optics are not particularly good. does that resonate with you, congressman waters? >> well, no. as matter of fact, constituent are anxious to talk with us. they are always pleased to see us. they want an update. they want to know what is going on. of course dhe are encouraging us to bring this to a close. to reach some kind of agreement. but they don't mind us being home, if we're not doing anything. they want us there talking with
hours with regard to the fiscal cliff. do you agree with that? >> i don't know. but i do know we haven't made any progress. from time to time, we've heard encouraging words but then the next day when it is time to report out what happened, nothing has happened. it does not appear that there have been any changeets, any progress has been made. so, as is being said, a moment ago. members of congress are prepared to be here during christmas holidays if we have to. >> when members go...
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fiscal cliff? joining us, david, great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> hold on, thelma. hold on louise. can will markets handle it? >> i think we can handle it. it seems to me that washington has a way of doing business and washington will continue to change the way -- or continue to do business the way they have always done it. where is us and wall street, we have to change the way we do business. >> so you don't see a big crash in markets as a fall off the cliff. >> no. i see opportunities for people who are less patient. no, i see it all going down. >> where are your clients moving their money? what are you advising them to do, whether we get a deal or not? are there two completely different strategies? >> there is various things on a similar attitude. big is not always good. i think what we are doing is consolidating and moving towards a smaller environment. i think we have smaller investors who can deliver returns. >> what do you mean by that? types of funtds they are investing in. >> th
fiscal cliff? joining us, david, great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> hold on, thelma. hold on louise. can will markets handle it? >> i think we can handle it. it seems to me that washington has a way of doing business and washington will continue to change the way -- or continue to do business the way they have always done it. where is us and wall street, we have to change the way we do business. >> so you don't see a big crash in markets as a fall off the cliff....
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cliff by year end. 44% predict failure in the ongoing negotiations. >>> let's get back to the jobs report due out, in less than 30 minutes, joining us now is mark zandi, chief economist at moody's analytics and jared bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. he has the finest nod and smile when he's introduced of any of our guests, he's currently a senior fellow. do you practice in front of a mirror, jared? >> i'm just so happy to see you guys. >> it's totally natural the way it happened. >> this is what i like to do at 7:00 a.m. in the morning. it's 8:00 now. this is what i like to do at 8:00 a.m. in the morning. >> we're glad to have you. >> especially with mark "hurricane" zandi. >> i know. he's a boxer. the hurricane. >> the hurricane zandi. >> i got to work on my smile. i have no hair. i better get the smile right. >> you just mentioned jeffries moving up its dividends. d.r. horton is the latest. it's now saying its dividends for all of 2013 will be accelerated and paying 15 cents a share paying at the end of this year. >> the corporate scum that keeps declaring
cliff by year end. 44% predict failure in the ongoing negotiations. >>> let's get back to the jobs report due out, in less than 30 minutes, joining us now is mark zandi, chief economist at moody's analytics and jared bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. he has the finest nod and smile when he's introduced of any of our guests, he's currently a senior fellow. do you practice in front of a mirror, jared? >> i'm just so happy to see you guys. >> it's...
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we're going to have a fight on the fiscal cliff. another on the debt ceiling. it's destroying confident in the markets and what bothers me, larry, you know the subprime crisis hit like that. there was no warning. we could have another one like that. >> somebody has to control spending. i think the debt ceiling over a period of time is one way to do it. i'm sorry to you both. i have to get out of here. >> only roughly 800 billion apart. they can come together and solve it. >> i think the main tax -- >> for the good of the country. i'm probably not going to like the deal but that's probably what will happen. >> thank you so much. quick programming note. i will come to you life from our nation's capital tomorrow night as part of cnbc's special all day coverage. rise above, mission critical. now how do you like this scenario? the u.s. government using our tax money to build up an electric battery firm but after it fails the company sells out to a chinese outfit who takes advantage of our own taxpayer dollars. now producing for japan. there is something wrong with t
we're going to have a fight on the fiscal cliff. another on the debt ceiling. it's destroying confident in the markets and what bothers me, larry, you know the subprime crisis hit like that. there was no warning. we could have another one like that. >> somebody has to control spending. i think the debt ceiling over a period of time is one way to do it. i'm sorry to you both. i have to get out of here. >> only roughly 800 billion apart. they can come together and solve it. >> i...
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even if we get through this fiscal cliff thing, you know, the first quarter of next year we're probably going to hit the debt ceiling again. you know what they're going to do there. they're going to find another solution and probably run some more money up. well, you're watering things down. there's really -- in my estimation, there's only one way for gold to go. that's up. i don't think we're in a bubble. wro who knows. >> todd hoffman, in i'm ever in portland, i'll buy you a voodoo donut together and we can bicycle around portland. >> let's do it. hand in hand. >> there you go. take care, buddy. thanks for joining us. short break. we're back after this. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- you can stay in and share something... ♪ ♪ ...or you can get out there with your friends and actually share something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. [ male announcer ] this is amy. amy likes to invest in the market. she also likes to ride her bike. she knows the potential for making
even if we get through this fiscal cliff thing, you know, the first quarter of next year we're probably going to hit the debt ceiling again. you know what they're going to do there. they're going to find another solution and probably run some more money up. well, you're watering things down. there's really -- in my estimation, there's only one way for gold to go. that's up. i don't think we're in a bubble. wro who knows. >> todd hoffman, in i'm ever in portland, i'll buy you a voodoo...